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70 лет назад

началась война.

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art_of_arts
Jun. 22nd, 2011 09:05 am (UTC)
с датой неувязочка...
Вторая Мировая война началась в сентябре 1939 года - её развязали два бандитских государства: гитлеровская Германия и сталинский Советский Союз
regent
Jun. 22nd, 2011 12:18 pm (UTC)
Re: с датой неувязочка...
А 22 июня 1941 года, надо полагать, ничего не произошло.
art_of_arts
Jun. 22nd, 2011 02:02 pm (UTC)
30 июня
regent
Jun. 22nd, 2011 02:52 pm (UTC)
Re: 30 июня
Я не спорю с этим. И не в этом пункте у нас разногласия.

Речь о другом: 22 июня немецкие войска перешли границу, и началось, скажем так, одно из главных сражений Второй Мировой. Зачем делать вид, что его не было? Или это Советский Союз сам на себя напал? Сам разбомбил свои города немецкими самолётами, сам дошёл до Москвы и Волги сапогами немецких, румынских, венгерских солдат?
art_of_arts
Jun. 22nd, 2011 07:41 pm (UTC)
Re: 30 июня
немецкие войска перешли границу (Польши) 1 сентября.
советские перешли границу (Польши) - 9 сентября.
оккупация есть оккупация есть оккупация.
боль одного народа не больше боли другого.
не стану сочувствовать немецким солдатам-оккупантам.
не хочу сочувствовать советским солдатам-оккупантам.
regent
Jun. 22nd, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC)
Re: 30 июня
Оккупация есть оккупация. И что же оккупировали советские солдаты под Смоленском, под Москвой, Под Сталинградом?

Разве они не имели права защищать свою землю?

Речь и идёт о том, что после 22 июня война с нашей стороны была справедливой. Не сдаваться же.
regent
Jun. 23rd, 2011 07:44 am (UTC)
Re: 30 июня
Мне близка вот такая точка зрения на 22 июня:

"The Nazi regime is indistinguishable from the worst features of Communism. It is devoid of all theme and principle except appetite and racial domination. It excels in all forms of human wickedness, in the efficiency of its cruelty and ferocious aggression. Noone has been a more consistent opponent of Communism than I have for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no words that I’ve spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding.

The past, with its crimes, its follies and its tragedies, flashes away. I see the Russian soldiers standing on the threshold of their native land, guarding the fields which their fathers have tilled from time immemorial. I see them guarding their homes; their mothers and wives pray, ah yes, for there are times when all pray for the safety of their loved ones, for the return of the breadwinner, of the champion, of their protectors.

I see the 10,000 villages of Russia, where the means of existence was wrung so hardly from the soil, but where there are still primordial human joys, where maidens laugh and children play I see advancing upon all this, in hideous onslaught, the Nazi war machine, with its clanking, heel-clicking, dandified Prussian officers, its crafty expert agents, fresh from the cowing and tying down of a dozen countries. I see also the dull, drilled, docile brutish masses of the Hun soldiery, plodding on like a swarm of crawling locusts. I see the German bombers and fighters in the sky, still smarting from many a British whipping, so delighted to find what they believe is an easier and a safer prey. And behind all this glare, behind all this storm, I see that small group of villainous men who planned, organized and launched this cataract of horrors upon mankind.

And then my mind goes back across the years to the days when the Russian armies were our Allies against the same deadly foe when they fought with so much valor and constancy and helped to gain a victory, from all share in which, alas, they were, through no fault of ours, utterly cut off.

I have lived through all this and you will pardon me if I express my feelings and the stir of old memories. But now I have to declare the decision of His Majesty’s Government, and I feel sure it is a decision in which the great Dominions will, in due course, concur. And that we must speak of now, at once, without a day’s delay. I have to make the declaration, but can you doubt what our policy will be?

We have but one aim and one single irrevocable purpose. We are resolved to destroy Hitler and every vestige of the Nazi regime. From this nothing will turn us. Nothing. We will never parley; we will never negotiate with Hitler or any of his gang. We shall fight him by land; we shall fight him by sea; we shall fight him in the air, until, with God’s help, we have rid the earth of his shadow and liberated its people from his yoke.

Any man or State who fights against Nazism will have our aid. Any man or State who marches with Hitler is our foe. This applies not only to organized States but to all representatives of that vile race of Quislings who make themselves the tools and agents of the Nazi regime against their fellow-countrymen and against the lands of their births. These Quislings, like the Nazi leaders themselves, if not disposed of by their fellow-countrymen, which would save trouble, will be delivered by us on the morrow of victory to the justice of the Allied tribunals. That is our policy and that is our declaration.

It follows, therefore, that we shall give whatever help we can to Russia and to the Russian people. We shall appeal to all our friends and Allies in every part of the world to take the same course and pursue it as we shall, faithfully and steadfastly to the end."
miannda
Jun. 22nd, 2011 03:02 pm (UTC)
Ты меня напугала. Я не посмотрела на заголовок, только на пост. Уф!
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